Parking in Disabled Bays -- a growing problem
- By Bagheera1
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Wed 23 Jan 2008 22:01
Just realised this was posted on the wrong board.... try again!
By Bagheera1
Tue 22 Jan 2008 20:20Hi, Everyone!
Last week, following advice from the Police, I wrote to the Disability Rights Commission
to express my concerns about the Misuse of Disabled Bays at major supermarkets.
This is a problem which has been getting steadily WORSE (especially recently) in the part
of the country in which I live.Here follows PART OF the reply I got today.
It's a bit long, but the advice I gor from the Police was to encourage
others to send their letters of complaint to the same place.The website address is:- englandhelpline@equalityhumanrights.com .
and you will be directed to another linked pagePlease think about joining me!!
Paul [aka Bagheera1]
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Reference 1596790
Thank you for contacting the Equality and Human Rights Commission
Disability Helpline.Firstly can I apologise for the confusion regarding the closure of the
Disability Rights Commission. The merger of all the equality commissions
into the EHRC was widely publicised by the old DRC however this message may
not have reached every organisation who refer individuals to the Helpline
for advice.I need to explain that a car park forming part of the supermarket
services would not fall under the jurisdiction of the police regarding
their traffic enforcement powers. As the car park is part of the service it
falls within the responsibilities under Part 3 of the DDA relating to the
duties service providers have.A disabled parking space is provided as a way of making access to the store
easier. Without the parking bay disabled customers may find parking their
vehicle and getting out their car impossible therefore making the service
impossible or unreasonably difficult to access. The provision of a parking
bay is a reasonable adjustment the store makes.The point where bays are being abused by non disabled individuals can also
make the service impossible to access. I will give an example.If a disabled individual with a mobility impairment arrives at a shop and
finds all the disabled parking bays are in use then they may have to find a
space which could make leaving their car impossible.If it is seen that a number of the bays specially designated for use for
disabled drivers are being abused by non disabled drivers then an argument
arises where the bays are not being policed correctly.The stores policy to not police the bays correctly has resulted in the
abuse from non disabled drivers. The duty that the store has is to make a
reasonable adjustment to their policy, practice and procedure to prevent
the abuse of the bays and to make access easier for disabled individuals.The store has to consider what is reasonable for them.
I am not an expert on parking law and the powers of enforcement a service
provider has. You may need to obtain further advice either legally or from
the Department of Transport on what can be done.The duty however is to make whatever adjustment they can reasonably do.
For the DDA to be triggered a specific incident needs to be highlighted.
This has to be a specific day where the service was impossible or
unreasonably difficult for a disabled individual to access due to all the
spaces being taken with some cars not being disabled drivers.You have mentioned that some stores have their own delivery drivers abusing
the bays. What may be a reasonable adjustment here could be to instruct the
drivers not to do this and to make sure it is enforced. If the bays are
being used by non blue badge holders it is also a good thing to remember
that not all disabled individuals have blue badges. They may have travelled
in with friends. Under the DDA a blue badge does not mean an individual is
not entitled to park there. The duties are owed to every disabled
individual.If you are able to identify a specific incident with thorough details and
incident date we will be happy to apply the DDA in its entirety to give you
a good base to forming a constructive and effective complaint.We need a definite incident date as you have limited time to make a
complaint. Ultimately a disabled individual has 6 months minus one day to
lodge a complaint to a county court.The law exists for disabled individuals to independently take action using
their rights under the DDA. As the law is already in place under Part 3 of
the DDA and this law requires the individual to take action the EHRC are
not able to investigate and take any action.Also a public statement is not possible as the commission has limited
resources. Time needs to be spent on identifying other areas of the law
that need testing. As the duties are already in place it is your
responsibility to take action.We are obviously very happy to advise you on this process and, in some
issues can offer some forms of practical assistance in the form of
conciliation. To do this a definite incident needs to be highlighted and a
potential breach of the DDA identified.I hope this email has clarified to you the DDA duties and I invite you to
return if you need further assistance.Kind Regards
Andrew Goldsby
Disability Helpline Advisor
Replies
- By stevens mum
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Re: Parking in Disabled Bays -- a growing problem
Fri 28 Mar 2008 22:08tis get's me irate about parking in bays when you have no disability.
i usually go to customer services with the reg of the car and they are happy to put a call out to have the car moved, they also put flyers under the wipers on cards that are not displaying the blue badge.
I thnk it was Asda that actually started towing cars from the bays if they didn't have badges displayed
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By Gingatossa
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Re: Parking in Disabled Bays -- a growing problem
Fri 4 Apr 2008 18:46Hi! I've only just seen this post..... i think the whole disabled parking scheme needs rethinking!!! I have a profoundly disabled daughter who is 12, and is wheelchair bound as she has no voluntary movement. Why do people who have blue badges but have no problems walking, take up the wide bays that people with disabilities like my daughter has, needs?? Don't get me started on people that park in disabled bays without having a blue badge either....... grrrrrrr!! I did contact the blue badge scheme to see if there was a way to colour-code parking badges according to disability, like a red one for those with profound physical issues that would allow those people to use the wide bays etc....... bog standard 'no can-do' reply!! People misuse the badges and the bays all the time without a thought for those who needs them, just to avoid a little longer walk to their destination..............
- By kerry.
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Re: Parking in Disabled Bays -- a growing problem
Fri 4 Apr 2008 20:50ah now sorry GT but i must step in here and get my view across:
I have two boys severely mentally disabled. Firstly there are never any bays other than wide ones (and only if there are no non disabled drivers in em!), secondly, while my boys can walk, they can also run... very fast, refuse to get in the car or out of it, resulting in one of us needing space to open car door wide to gain access to either force them in or out of the car, then theres the issue of them slamming doors open and hitting other cars which they do regularly.
it is so hard just getting them in and out of the car without someone or something coming to harm!i have been physically assaulted once in an asda car park whilst carrying my son who was about 20 months but not walking, and very heavy, and other son running off fast, 2 daughters very young at time, chasing him.
some nut case told me i shouldnt be in disabled bay even tho i was displaying orange badge as it was then.
he shook my arm and i nearly dropped my boy.
the police came and i didnt want to press charges but they followed him all round store to make him sweat!
but it was very upsetting for us all. and made me feel very guilty even tho i had every right to park there.
- By kerry.
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Re: Parking in Disabled Bays -- a growing problem
Fri 4 Apr 2008 20:51saying all that, if i saw someone in a wheelchair needing to park and there was only one space i wouldnt use it.
as they need to get chair in or out etc, but otherwise we need the space too!
- By happyasadeadcat
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Re: Parking in Disabled Bays -- a growing problem
Fri 4 Apr 2008 21:29My teenage daughter has a blue badge but on some days can walk, however she cannot walk far and the disabled bays mean that she can look 'normal' and not have to use her wheelchair. I try to ignore people looking at us as if we were not entitled to be there and feel (and probably) act guilty!
It's a really difficult one as people assume that being disabled means being in a wheelchair.
- By Tricia
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Re: Parking in Disabled Bays -- a growing problem
Sat 5 Apr 2008 12:28I don't have a blue badge for my son but many have told me to apply reason being is my son can have a bad behaviour day in not being able to cope with the environment which he is in. I try to park near a pathway so I am able to get him straight onto the path and not have to cross the roads with him.
A few years ago I was able to get away with parking in the parent and toddler spaces but now he is almost touching six foot which would look like am abusing the toddlers and parent spaces.
When mam was alive she had a blue badge as she was a wheel chair user and I found being able to open the car door fully to let my son out of the car saved met he worry of him possibly scratching the car next to us.
Maybe we could do with slightly wider parking bays over all in car parks to resolve this situation